[ga-abuse] Re[2]: [ga] New Sheriff in town

["William X. Walsh" <william@userfriendly.com>]

Consider this a further incident complaint.

Third offense.


Sunday, February 11, 2001, 10:44:06 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:

> Let us get it on and I ask you to join in an earlier post.



>        The procedure set forth at http://www.bitshift.org/rror.shtml are good
>        procedures which can be adopted.  Then they can be modified as problems
>        arise.

>        Based upon my broad based survey of all working group, committee, SO, GA
>        list archives I found the most amount of argument time spent on two
>        subjects.

>        1. History: Basically how did something come about, what was intended
>        and who was responsible.

>        2. Definition: Entire threads get misdirected because the two sides
>        cannot come up with an agreed upon meaning of what is being said.

>        Neither of these two areas have produced positive results EVER!! Yet it
>        is what the majority of time, like about 85% is spent on. A review of
>        the last House Hearings and the ones underway lead to the same numbers
>        and the same result.

>        The other results are aggravation from the process leading to lack of
>        participation.  An interesting phenomenon is that the bitterness which
>        pervades so many discussions does not diminish the activity, but it does
>        narrow the participation.

>        My conclusion at this point is that before moving on and establishing
>        set rules and procedures, as in agreed to histories and definitions,
>        each group simply appoint marshals for both of these areas.  Elect your
>        internal chair and they appoint their marshals.  Just like the old west,
>        before the laws could be written down that would cover the situations,
>        the elected mayors would simply hire marshals to keep the peace.
>        Of course the marshal would just say ok gentlemen lets take this off
>        list and we will agree on moving forward before getting back on list. No
>        problem the dissenter gets to post one objection to the marshals
>        position but then we move on.

>        Sincerely,
>        Wyatt Earp

> Ok this is ridiculous?  I  think is better and Dassa and Joanna woul make great Marshals,
> they are faster draws than any -post  I have seen.

> Ultreya,


> Jeff Williams wrote:

>> Eric and all remaining assembly members,
>>
>>   I agree with you here Eric.  Those that wish to bring the problems
>> with the IDNO and a few of it's more vocal and disruptive and destructive
>> voices, should keep their internal squabbling in their own house.  I believe
>> that Joop has also called for this as have I.
>>
>> Eric Dierker wrote:
>>
>> > This is way out of the arena of speaking in this GA, unless someone can bring it into
>> > focus.  Some folks will go to any lengths to continue distructive threads. I think
>> > mayber Sotiris you should ignore the babies.
>> > Sotiropoulos wrote:
>> >
>> > > Jeff et al.,
>> > >
>> > > I would rather he didn't.  I don't want to offend
>> > > anybody, but I think this is hardly the forum for
>> > > such postings.  Perhaps, I am wrong?  But, I don't
>> > > think I am...  I would very much prefer to leave
>> > > what has relevance to the IDNO ML, to the IDNO
>> > > ML.  After all, in *point of fact* I have not
>> > > ANYWHERE seen, read, or heard anything that would
>> > > lead me to believe that should an IDNH
>> > > Constituency be added to the DNSO, that the IDNO
>> > > is even a remote candidate for the position of
>> > > such an appendage.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>> > >         Hermes Network, Inc.
>> > >
>> > > Jeff Williams wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Sotiris and all remaining assembly members,
>> > > >
>> > > >   An excellent question, Sotiris.  Possibly Andy Gardner can answer
>> > > > you questions and share it with everyone here?   Andy, care to
>> > > > answer Sotiris's excellent question?
>> > > >
>> > > > Sotiropoulos wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Andy Gardner wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > At 6:00 pm +1300 2/10/01, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>> > > > > > >At 10:48 10/02/01 +1100, Dassa wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >>Mistakes made on one forum and repeated elsewhere are relevant to all.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Possibly. There are a number of lessons to be learnt from the IDNO
>> > > > > > >experiment in open democracy and I am certainly one who is learning them.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Evidence suggests that you have not learnt a single thing.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >One is that constant personal abuse drives all serious participants off and
>> > > > > > >leaves only those who, in the words of Alan McCluskey
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > For an example of personal abuse within the IDNO (In fact, possibly the
>> > > > > > very first incident), one only needs to read the following email sent by
>> > > > > > Joop to selected members of the IDNO (included quotes snipped for brevity).
>> > > > > > Note the date it was sent:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What does this drivel have to do with the GA or ICANN?  If *nothing at all*,
>> > > > > then WHY am I receiving this garbage through the GA ML?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > SS
>> > > > > HN, Inc.
>> > > > >
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>> > > >
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